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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:28 pm 
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I’m old enough to have owned Mk1 / Mk2 / Mk3 Minis of all types in good numbers over some years when they were everyday transport. In honesty development made some difference in every regard. And as far as nostalgia is concerned, I’m 63 years old, my reminiscence of great Minis are Mk3 cars. Anyone younger than me surely doesn’t remember Mk1 cars and were very young when Mk2 cars arrived?

Love to hear other views on the 1959 to 1971 Minis :D :D :D :D

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:49 pm 
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It's dead simple it's all about purity of design.

This is something that applies to much much more than just mini's. I'm 53 & I have lots of very wonderful memories of my Mum & Grandma driving Mk1's, and watching people thrashing Mini's up Harewood hill from a very early age, but it's not really that that brings me back to Mk1's over & over again. It's something about early versions of mechanical things being closer to what the designer intended, warts & all.

The MK1 was such a superb design concept, it did everything that it needed to & nothing that it didn't need to. Ok, it wasn't perfect, but who wants perfection?

Like a Mini, the MK1 VW Golf GTI is always looked back on as the "best" Golf GTI, it's not the most powerful, it's not the best handling, it's not the most comfortable, it's just the best. Not for a tangible reason, just because it is.

I am sure that many people can think of many other examples of this phenomena, not just me.

If we were all looking for the "best" small car none of us would be driving Mini's, or even 1100's for that matter :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:54 pm 
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I'm 60 years old and remember the MKI very well! When I was a kid buying my first mini it was a MKI because that was the used car that I could afford to buy as an apprentice. Yes if I'd had the money I would have bought a later version but you buy what you can afford. Also back then you were buying a used car to get you to work/college or pick up birds, definitely not buying a "classic car"! My first was a 59 (if only I'd known then what I know now) It was modified and bodged to death to keep it going then dumped at the side of the road.......A somewhat accepted practice back then..........


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:06 pm 
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I'm in my 71st year and when I bought my first Mini there was no such thing as a Mk1 Mini, when I bought my first Mini Cooper there were 3 Minis in the showroom, 2 Mk2's and one old stock 850 Mini. I bought a Mk2 Cooper and it took the dealer 3 or 4 months to shift the old stock. it's normally the bean counters that decide what goes into production, designers would generally just keep fiddling about slowly improving their proof of concept, ie. development.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:13 pm 
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Thanks to all for your views. Pleased I'm in my age group (sorry Mark). Wish I owned a Mk3 in 1970 :D :D

The 1970 Cooper S was a very sought after car given their small build numbers :D

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:45 pm 
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Alan, I'm the youngest (so far) on this thread at just turned 50.

I agree with Mark that generally speaking the first incarnation of a type of vehicle is what the designer designed and intended, not subsequently warmed over for whatever reason. OK improvements may have been made, sometimes not though.

A Mk1 'sliding window' Mini to me is the only Mini to have. This includes pick-ups and vans obviously 8-) . Even a Mk2 does not quite do it for me like a Mk1, although I have owned my Mk2 Cooper for 32 years now.

I have owned a few Mk3 Minis in the past and actually find the wind up window to be a negative as far as air flow in the car goes.

Regarding 'original' designs..... I have owned several Peugeots over the years now as everyday drivers, with the 306 being my favourite. The Phase 1 306 D Turbo model is by far the best in my opinion both in looks and performance departments, the Phase 2 front end restyling was awful. The Phase 3 corrected that but then they used the HDI engine, which while a superb engine just did not have the mechanical diesel turbo 'surge' that the Phase 1's had.

The other design not beaten for purity and looks...the original Yamaha R1 and R6 motorcycles. Maybe not as powerful etc as the later models but by far the nicest and cleanest.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:52 pm 
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It's possible to appreciate development, but prefer something that is more pure and true to the car's original design.

If development was the only factor, we'd all be raving about the last models that rolled off the line in 2000, but there is something to appreciate in the Mk1's simplicity. It's true to Issigonis' original design in a lot of ways that were subsequently lost over time, even if they're not perfect from a performance standpoint.


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Highnumbers wrote:
It's possible to appreciate development, but prefer something that is more pure and true to the car's original design.

If development was the only factor, we'd all be raving about the last models that rolled off the line in 2000, but there is something to appreciate in the Mk1's simplicity. It's true to Issigonis' original design in a lot of ways that were subsequently lost over time, even if they're not perfect from a performance standpoint.


Thanks Highnumbers and Andrew for your input and yes the original car has to be appreciated for its simplicity without question. I love all 1959 to 1971 Minis and yes the early Mk1 cars is what some younger people remember well. They were about for some years after 1967 regardless what some people believe :D :D :D

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Being an old git everyone had minis in the 60,s because they were the best road holding cars and affordable .. still have my 1961.. 997 Cooper paid £165 for it in 1969 .. we all modified the cars to make them go .. bung on MGB carbs and Banded Wheels & a Oil Cooler was the thing to have.
Had all sorts of Mini from a rust free rear body Pick Up .. rust free because it was an ex Hot Dog Van and the cooking fat stopped rust & the smell could be tasted.
Loved my Woody .. carried 8 x 6ft Fence Panels on the Roof .. bent the roof rack but not the guttering!
Could not find a rust-free S at the time .. so built my own with a new Mk1 Shell From Morris Garages, that shell cost £130.
First new Mini was a Mk3 .. crap Paint and no paint under the parcel shelf it had to go .. the next metro was just a bad so off & buy Fords until they went into decline with reliability .. then VW Audi.
My Mini fleet is the 997 + 1070 + 1275GT .. all different driving experiences .. I am not a purist and the Mini can still hold its own in todays Traffic so all my cars have modified four pot brakes .. shock horror !
I would never drive my 997 with any confidence that the thing will Stop with a standard 7inch brake system.


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I'm more into Escorts than Minis these days. For me, the Mark 1 Mexico, RS1600 and Twin Cam were the high water mark for Escorts. Minis were all built at the Longbridge/Cowley sausage machines but it's almost impossible to believe that a 'profit first' company like Ford would build and kit out a small satellite factory to assemble a very small number of specialist cars where almost everything except the glass and bolt on panels was different in some way to the standard Escort. And to do it for four years and make very little profit. Of course, it was all a game plan to promote Ford AVO and sell a shitload more 1300L's.

The Mark 2 cars were alright I guess, but they were all manufactured on the same production line as every other Escort II. No interest in these whatsoever.

I remember these cars, and old Minis (that weren't so old then) with affection but a white J plate 1275GT with red stripes holds a lot of sentimental appeal because my parents had one new. It was their third and last Mini before their Mexico, whilst my Grandfolks had a pair of Mark 1 Minis between 1972 and 1977.

I've had two Mark 1 Cooper S cars but wouldn't have another. They're too dear now and they aren't that fast - I'd still expect too much from them - a Mark II Mini 1000 on Hydro is fine for me. :lol:


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