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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:41 pm 
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Just need a bit of clarification on acouple of topics if anyone can spare the time
I have looked in depth at the relvant regulations but still not convinced I have the correct interpretation.

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Can an A+ block WFN 1024 be used in either FIA AppK or HSCC Class D (or any other pre'66 racing)?

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I have a Mk1 Cooper S shell which came with a full bolt-in cage already fitted Front and Rear with a door bar on the drivers side. It is all correctly constucted and is the correct material dimensions according to the current MSA ROPS specification. However there are no makers marks of any description, I was told that it was fitted originally in around 1990+ . It is very well made and appears to be a 'professional' manufacturer produced item I would be happy to use it myself and I am very very careful about safety items.

Where do I stand regarding eligibility under current regulations?

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Finally what type of carburation is being usually used by Class D cars >1300cc at the moment ?

Any advice or clarification would be appreciated
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:04 pm 
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1. Yes an a plus block can be used in hscc class d. Not in app k though.

2. The cage is old so look at the feet. If only 2 bolts on the rear most legs then it's not legal. On older cages the feet are smaller and the stuff the cage is made is smaller. If no stickers on it it's easier just to buy a compliant cage.

3. Twin h4. You cannot cut the bulkhead so you will have to make a mess of it if you wish to fit webers. And for little gain.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:09 pm 
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Thanks Rich
The cage has 4 bolts on all of the feet and the tubing is 38mm o/d at 3mm thick
Shame there is no makers label or markings
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4 bolts on the feet that go onto the rear arches or the ones on the floor?

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all the plates have 4 holes

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Check the feet for letters and numbers stamped in.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:21 pm 
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ok will do thanks
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if the main feet have four holes, then its an early cage that is no longer msa compliant

the modern cages have three holes (that take three bolts) on the back arches, the four main feet have six holes (that take five bolts)

I've never seen a safety devices / roll centre cage that had four holes on the arch legs, so wonder if its a home made job?

the modern safety device cages have numbers stamped into the feet, but not all old cages do

a customer of mine has recently had to re-cage his rally car as the cage that was in it wasn't msa compliant and he commented that the old cage was noticeably lighter than the new one!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:09 pm 
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Finally got back from travels to check the rollcage....bit of a long distance communications malfunction
There are 4 holes in the back wheel arch legs 2 in each side Hmmmshould have asked s clearer question apparently ????
So it’s just a track day cage now
It is well made and is all the correct dimensions tube diameter and slightly thicker than required
I will buy the safety devices complete cage for this project

One last question for clarification
Can any pre ‘66 shell be used in class D and or AppK ?
That is can a pre 66 850 registered shell be used in 1293 form or does it have to be registered as a Cooper S etc
Final thought does the car have to have a registration to compete in Class D ?
I know it does for FIA AppK
Any information gratefully received
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:10 am 
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trevorhp wrote:

Can any pre ‘66 shell be used in class D and or AppK ?
That is can a pre 66 850 registered shell be used in 1293 form or does it have to be registered as a Cooper S etc
Final thought does the car have to have a registration to compete in Class D ?
I know it does for FIA AppK
Any information gratefully received
Thanks Trevor


Any Mk1 shell (not just pree '66) can be used with any pre '66 Mini logbook, doesn't have to be Cooper S.


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