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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:52 pm 
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when my dads 1930's Rolls Royce was inspected after someone else built an entire replica of it and tried to claim the logbook for it the dvla came out to inspect my dads car

Blimey someone went to all that trouble (no doubt because of the value of the vehicle) then lost it all (I hope the 'new' one was broken up and they were locked up), that would never happen with a Mini.....................................................oh hang on wait a minute............... :shock: :shock: :lol:

Hopefully some sense will prevail on the draft criteria for the VHI, allowing original manufacturers / converters (or their authorised agents) to modify a car (even if it is a chassis or body mod) so that it is visually the same as a vehicle that was previously produced by them (the current problems at Aston Martins Works division spring to mind) should be allowed as the quality of the work *should* be of a high enough standard to be safe (in some cases better than the original with advances in materials)

I can see why they are trying to stop individuals modifying cars at home if they are cutting structural elements, but some people out there have fantastic skills to produce high quality vehicles for their own use.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:06 pm 
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Peter, I would echo what Rich has said. The English gentleman who inspected my friend’s car was in his early forties and knew his stuff without a doubt. He impressed my friend with his amicable friendly manner and his knowledge of BMC period cars. In my friend’s own words he was no gifted amateur. I’ve also a friend who works for the DVLA who is a member of this forum and what he does not know about Minis is not worth knowing you take it from me. It is this arrogant attitude of so called specialists in a number of clubs that has brought about this change which many believe is for the betterment of the whole classic vehicle scene.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:42 pm 
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when my dads 1930's Rolls Royce was inspected after someone else built an entire replica of it and tried to claim the logbook for it the dvla came out to inspect my dads car

Blimey someone went to all that trouble (no doubt because of the value of the vehicle) then lost it all (I hope the 'new' one was broken up and they were locked up), that would never happen with a Mini.....................................................oh hang on wait a minute............... :shock: :shock: :lol:



the problem is that in pre war stuff people go though the chassis numbers looking for cars that have not been see for many years, then reapply for the paper work, then the real cars turn up, or get reimported, then the arguments start...

there are quite a few valuable W.O Bentleys and Rileys that have duplicate cars that exist in foreign climes... (actually, not too far from what seams to be happening with minis...) a few even have very specific clauses inserted into auction catalogues stating that other cars have claimed the i.d's

this had happened with the Rolls, it had been 'lost' in the USA since the 50's, so the guy in England thought that he was doing 'no harm' by building a 'tribute' (it was a experimental car, so reams of data on it and a very 'niche' car in the pre war RR world), then as he got further involved he just thought that applying for the V5 to be reissued would be harmless, it was an unfortunate coincidence that the real car was reimported back into the uk and my dad just happened to apply for the V5 at the same time. - the value of it was no more than a normal car, the guy was more interested in owning a rare experimental

my dad did actually get a very apologetic letter from the guy :lol:, from memory he just used the correct i.d on his car

our family also owns a very nice Riley that's pretty rare, one of a very few made, virtually all accounted for, with loads of fakes built (some good, some bad, some pretty honest, some bent as anything)

in between us going to view the car and us collecting it, someone else who had been to view the car had ripped the chassis number plate off the bulkhead - its fairly obvious that a replica will turn up with this attached to its bulkhead sooner or later!.

my dad has left the plate off, and the Riley club are well aware of what has happened to the original, so we wait to see when it reappears!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:51 pm 
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Yep, I'm not infallible of course and the thread was littered with irony and humour (sorry about that.....) and no one wants a load of crooks within the restoration/classic car business but I'm just talking from MY experience with the couple I've had dealings with thus far in my short sheltered life. One day someone will ask me about the Lotus Cortina and later my DVLA experience of total gobbledygook with SORN.......... I'm not a bent Bugatti owner nor capable of building a Roller replica (both simply cases of fraud and/or deception) but taking the total number of classic cars out there, both ON the road and OFF the road, pray tell, where are they going to get all of these examiners to inspect these thousands and thousands of cars out there - and that's just the Mini's!

To be honest Rich, even if he did get the log book for his fictitious car, when it came to push and shove, the real McCoy was STILL your car, still existed and remained legally yours, log book or no log book. It's like someone milking your bank account. If you never took the money out........


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:02 pm 
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I get that the DVLA need to do something about the current situation, I understand why they are doing more checks.

What I can't understand is why they are continuing to allow the open sale of logbooks on ebay, gumtree etc.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/dsc/i.html?_saca ... book&rt=nc

On the first page there are several minis.....

The DVLA can already fine people up to £1000 for failing to inform them that a vehicle has been scrapped.... They just don't seem to be doing that.

It's unfortunate that an awful lot of people that do play by the rules will get all the hassle of dealing with an inspection.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:47 pm 
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IslandBlue66 wrote:

It's unfortunate that an awful lot of people that do play by the rules will get all the hassle of dealing with an inspection.



Unfortunately this always seems to be the case in life, a few people take thing to extreams (for profit / pride / bragging rights) and everyone gets penalised in the end

If Supersonics friendly DVLA forum member is reading all this he probably won't be able to comment, but it would be good if the points (over several threads) could be taken on board

Scrap the 15 % PtW ratio rule, replace it with allowing period / age related tuning as long as it all visually looks like it should and there's evidence (plenty of old magazines out there) that the parts were available, don't allow modern engines especially those from other manufacturers if the body has to be cut, if it can be fitted without cutting its fine, however you have to declare it and continue to MOT.

Make sure there's a rule in place so that if a vehicle isn't already exempt or currently MOT'd when the changes come in that the vehicle has to have some sort of check before it goes back on the road and gains exemption.

Allow changes to body's and chassis if they are period or age related and match a previous model that was produced (in small or large numbers), but make sure they are manufacturer approved or being done by the original designers or agents (difficult with lots of cars due to there age, especially coach built)

Will all this give cars with documented histories a further lift in value ?

I think we all want to enjoy our cars safely, but I can't see how trying to effectively retrospectively re-classify / potentially disadvantage vehicles with period engine tuning can be legal when (as far as I know) there has never been a law preventing such tuning


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