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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:23 am 
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More ADO16 bashing! The article really wound me up, and hence I've had an email exchange with Kelsey media about the fact!

Personally, I don't think it was really a "bashing" article, I have heard far worse.

Anyone who has worked on an ADO16 can recognise all this;

"If the rear subframe’s forward mounting points (under the rear seat) needed welding, you had to depressurise the Hydrolastic, undo the pipe unions (not that bad really), drop the rear subframe and spend hours rebuilding the box sections whereupon you’d find the rear of the sills were toast as well. Many 1100s were hoisted onto the back of a scrap truck without the rear subframe after the owner received a call from the welder. “It’s a bit worse than we thought…” "

Personally that is my experience of 1100 / 1300's in a nut shell. Look at the projects here & there isn't one that hasn't needed repairs to the heel board / rear frame mountings. Even my 30,000 from new car needed repairs there when I removed the rear frame "just" to repair the hydro.

While I am an ADO16 fan, I cannot argue that it is easier to do a heel board in an 1100 than it is to do a strut top in an Escort.

Personally I don't see anything "controversial" in Andrews article & am just glad that people are still writing about this great model.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:47 am 
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I would echo much of what David has said about these little cars. Unfortunately I’m not impartial as I love these wee cars. As I’ve said before I have worked at Minis and the 1100 /1300 for over 40 years and know only too well their faults. My balanced view in all honesty is they were prone to rust and so were the Mini and nearly all cars of that period. The Roads Authorities in those days salted the roads rain blow or snow and piled salt on in mass. This fact must not be forgotten about in my opinion. We ran a breakers yard and it was full of all makes of 5 year old cars that salt and rust destroyed. Look how many ADO16 cars are still around that have never been welded and are in first class condition. I have a 1966 car and a 1971 car and both are 100% original. In our group there are ten more cars that have never seen a welder and in first class condition. The 12 cars I refer to are all upmarket ADO16s and were all very well looked after :D

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:53 pm 
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Supersonic wrote:
Look how many ADO16 cars are still around that have never been welded and are in first class condition.
Alan


Yes, quite. There are hardly any - out of over 2million built! I must say that Andrew's article pretty much taps the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. I was fortunate (?) enough to run an 1100 as a company car and I quite liked it. However, at 3 years old and requiring its first MOT, it failed on rusty sills :(. I'm not suggesting that other cars of the period didn't rust but having spent those years working in the bodyshop of an Austin/Morris dealership I saw more than my fair share of 1100/1300s in a pretty shocking state structurally. Often, their proud owners were quite unaware of the problems beneath - only bringing the car into the garage because of "a creaking noise". We jacked up quite a few smart looking 1100s to find that the subframes stayed on the ground as the bulk of the car lifted into air, heelboards, boot floors and inner wings blowing in the breeze.........

A great shame, because they were a decent drive.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:47 pm 
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david ado16.info wrote:
As for the article,

"But the 1100 rusted more than anything else...."


More ADO16 bashing! The article really wound me up, and hence I've had an email exchange with Kelsey media about the fact!


Awww bless. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:08 pm 
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rich@minispares.com wrote:
its amazing how many of them are for sale on ebay 40 years after they stopped selling them :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


How many when compared to Morris Minors?

Me? I love Alfasuds. They were no worse than anything else either. Honest. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:16 pm 
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From Practical Classics, 1981..................


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:46 am 
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I have never personally owned an ADO16 but I did break up several VP & MG versions with my brothers in the 1970's to get the engines, etc for our Minis, and several other family members had 1100/1300's which looked good but suddenly terminally failed MOT's on hidden rust.

This post below on TMF (The Mini Forum) reminded me of a common problem often heard in the past with the heater/bulkhead, was this true and if so how do you prevent the problem happening back then or today?

TMF quote on AD016.
"I had 3 of them in different forms Austin, Morris and a Vanden Plas.
Yes the trumpets were a pain to repair but it could get worse if the heater to fire wall seams rotted out.
Who else but BMC/BL drains all the water from the heater air intake through 2 channels either end of the scuttle down 2 small pressed channels sandwiched between 2 body panels that probably never saw paint of any kind in their life, that of course blocked with the first fall of autumn leaves and no way to clear them out. Great when raining and you had the fan on high speed it would blow rain up the inside of the windscreen!.
When repairing one of mine I found a snapped off 3/8 drill bit jammed in the drain and by the looks of it it had been their from when it was built.
But all said and done I loved them all and you just dont see many on the road now."
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/to ... ?p=3503449


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thing is, most modern cars now have double skinned bulkheads, with a heater box, so it was quite a forward thinking design as it cut down on the noise and heat of the engine, like the poster on tmf says though, it was the execution of it that is the problem as its impossible to clean it or fix any issues easily - had the scuttle panel been made removable it would have been better.

what happens with them is that they rot out in the lower corners, which then gets into the end of the trumpets, so you have three or four layers of panels to deal with, and the only access is under the front wing - this had just started to be a problem on the orange one I have, but as it swopped the trumpets I was able to fix it easily

the drains are pathetic as well as they block up with a single leaf and I bet nobody ever pokes bits of wire through them. when I bought my green car it was possible to fill the heater box up with a hosepipe level with the scuttle, it took ages to get all the rotten leafs etc out the bottom of the box.

my rover 75 has the same sort of arrangement, but it just has a plastic cover on the top, sure enough, when I bought that and took the cover off the drains were blocked and there was water and leafs sloshing around inside it!

the heater box does work though, the heater on an 1100 is vastly superior to the one on a mini, that is for sure

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:50 am 
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Those in the know do regularly check the drainage channels for blockages.....but I agree, you need to be slightly OCD

Interestingly the original ADO16 wasn't due to have the double bulkhead - it was an addition to meet US-crash testing and it's always the case with car design that when new aspects are included the implications are never as well thought out as the original conception

Copious amounts of waxoyle help to keep rust at bay today, and it can be sprayed in using extensions

As for trumpets and generally underneath the wings I'm surprised more don't fit these:

https://www.lokari.de/epages/62716287.s ... -0151-0152

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...and since fitting I have now etched primed them and painted them body colour so most casual observers don't even notice.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:00 am 
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...and this was a peek inside for the first time after fitting - following 3 winters as a daily driver in all weathers!

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